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EDITORIAL: Why Miami FCB Could Help MLS Turn A Corner

Posted by MLSR Wednesday, December 17, 2008

There has been much written on various blogs and forums about the coming Miami MLS club backed by FC Barcelona. A fair amount of it has been surprisingly negative with typically the only positive things written in response by Miami residents. My question as a former Miami Fusion FC fan, current FC Barcelona fan and long time reader and now contributor to this site is simply: "Why the hate?"

The animosity exhibited towards this idea is personified by one blogger by the name of Bill Archer who professes to know just what's going on inside MLS and who wrote this opinion piece, "Is Miami 2.0 A Bet MLS Can't Afford". This article appears to be nothing more than a hatchet job aimed at Miami, it's citizens and FC Barcelona. This should not surprise anyone as Bill Archer seems to hate a lot of things, among them any team that is not Columbus, Canadians, and perhaps even the US Soccer Federation.

The editors of this site you are reading openly support and endorse another bid, Portland 2011 however in the spirit of fairness and equal time they gave me, a Barcelonista de Miami, a voice, however unpopular it might be.

Since Bill Archer, attempts to discredit the Miami bid with a piece of "shock and awe" journalism, I have decided to use a completely opposite device in disarming his argument: logic, and history. So with that in mind let's examine Archer's argument against Miami, piece by piece.

(Standard Archer Canada bashing removed so as to get down to business....)

Archer writes:

So if, for the sake of argument, we eliminate the Canadians (at least this time around), then that leaves only four possibilities: Miami, Portland, St. Louis and Atlanta.

Hey bill what's with the bold, we can hear you just fine.

Miami is the bid that the conventional wisdom now says is the clear leader. In this, they join a long line stretching back a decade: Rochester, Oklahoma City and Montreal can tell them how much the CW is worth in this regard.

With regards to Oklahoma City, that was quite a different time during the league, post-contraction. With regards to Montreal, if Saputo wanted to pay the expansion fee he would have got in and who knows, still might. What is the opposite of Conventional Wisdom Bill? Ridiculous Folly. IF you chose to walk that plank, don't expect the rest of us to.

Unfortunately (they're my favorite candidate) their bid is looking shakier by the day.

With friends like you who needs enemies?

Continuing...

When the bid was first announced, the fanfare was almost deafening: Barcelona, one of the iconic clubs in the world, wanted to invest in Major League SOccer in the US! What could be better than that? Well, as it turns out, a whole lot. To start with, Barca's President has stated that they figure to make about $9 million a year on the MLS investment. This would be almost twice what the Galaxy - the league's purported revenue leader - is reportedly making, and they have all those Beckham shirts out there.

And yet, perhaps they could at some point Bill. Unlike many Americans, Laporta and many Spaniards think in terms longer than 5 or even 10 years. At some point a Barcelona run Miami MLS club may make $9 million a year as the league grows, sponsorship and naming rights increase, etc. Laporta was not talking about making $9 million a year from the start. All start ups in business entail both risk and loss, especially in the world of sport. Laporta knows that, apparently you do not. And one can imagine that the brand of Barcelona could do more to attract a world class star or two than the cache of "LA Galaxy".

Barcelona apparently feels that an MLS team will help establish their brand in the US market, and one of the advantages of this is that, yes, they'll be selling trainloads of Barca shirts. Well, perhaps. They certainly understand souvenir sales better than I do. However, from my humble standpoint, there are two problems with that theory: First of all, BARCELONA GEAR IS NOT EXACTLY HARD TO COME BY in the US, and I daresay that putting an MLS patch on the sleeve isn't exactly going to light up the phone lines. In fact, it might very well be considered a negative by a whole lot of current Barca fans.

Here is where Bill Archer's ignorance rears its ugly head. He is a self hating MLS fan. Here in Miami there are plenty of Barca fans, most would welcome the opportunity to go into a club store and buy Barcelona gear. Your link to an online store doesn't prove anything other than your ignorance. Having travelled in Europe you can find Barca gear in many shops. Your average retail department store will likely have some.

Can you say that in America? No. So, perhaps Bill, just perhaps, Laporta has a bigger vision for the Barca brand than being offered through niche "Soccer Shops" online or elsewhere. Do not forget that MLS has contracts and distribution with Dicks Sporting Goods, Adidas and Target. These reach a LOT more people than some online store. And as long as the MLS team is one which Barca fans can be proud of I see no reason why they would consider that a negative. The whole fact that a club with the rich history and tradition of Barca is interested in MLS would if anything work the other way around, convince many Barca fans stateside who do not care about MLS, that the league is worth watching.

Secondly, they apparently haven't noticed, but Barca is sponsored by Nike

. All MLS uniforms are supplied by adidas. And since shirt designs are proprietary, the MLS Barcelona shirt will have to look very different from the La Liga Barcelona shirt. Thus, if it's brand identity they're pushing for here, they're out of luck.

This is trivial and he is wrong. Nike does not SPONSOR Barcelona, they are simply their kit manufacturer, meaning they won the contract to produce Barcelona kits. One team can have the same brand and different kit manufacturers. Indeed most European clubs switch kit manufacturers, that does nothing to the overall brand. And to use an example closer to home, CD Guadalajara has Reebok and CD Chivas USA has Adidas.

He continues...... Then there's the whole "We'll stock the club with players from our farm teams, supplement them with a few Americans if we have to, bring in an aging Superstar or two and kick some serious MLS ass" theory. I'm seaching my memory here, because I seem to recall hearing that plan before. Who was it....darn, I'm just not coming up with it. In any case, this scenario - call it the Chivas plan - only works if you do indeed win, and win big. A Barcelona-branded MLS team that loses to Salt Lake City and Seattle on a regular basis is of zero interest to existing Barca fans.

While he is right that a Barca branded team that regularly loses would have little interest to Barca fans he is wrong about nearly everything else.

What Bill fails to mention is Miami FC will be completely mixed with Barcelona. This includes players, staff, coaching, and management. Since they are anticipating quite a few world class players on the team, they are also going to include SEVERAL USL(Miami FC) players on the team in order to balance the salary cap.

The well known ones include Avery John, Eric Brunner, Caue Santos da Mata, Eric Vasquez, and Leo Inacio Nunes. That is two Americans(Vasquez and Brunner), two Brazilians(Caue and Nunes), and a Trinidad & Tobago international(John). During Marcelo Claure's address at the bar MANY other MFC players were mentioned. Also former New England Revolution forward Willie Sims and waived Chicago Fire defender Bruno Menezes have also been included in talk about Miami FCB.

Sure the Rafa Marquez, Henry, and Eto'o rumors are still going around constantly. That is to be expected with such a big brand as Barcelona. As far as coaching some have heard that former Miami Fusion player Alex Pineda Chacon could have a job. Here is the big one however, Zinho is interested in the job and it has been talked about highly, that he could be the manger for their first inaugural season.

So you see, while this team may be stacked with some stars it will also be very competitive with high quality USL players thrown in the mix. Hardly "an aging star and some anonymous Americans". Anyone who doubts that the USL players can compete at a high level need only look at the current CONCACAF Champions League results. This will be a team designed to compete nationally and internationally in the CONCACAF Champions League. Would you expect anything less from Barcelona? A poorly performing team does nothing to further their brand in the USA and regionally throughout Latin America (the big picture).

Archer continues....

Then there's the question of all these brilliant young players that Barca would be bringing into their side. It sounds terrific when Barcelona CEO Joan Laporta

says it, but as JACK BELL POINTS OUT there's one small problem: all MLS players, every last one, is under contract with MLS.
And to this I answer: "So what." Jozy Altidore was, he is now playing in Spain. That's what transfer fees are for. Doesn't Bill think that if there were a player or two who Barcelona wanted they would pay a fee for them? This is how it works Bill. Welcome to international sport.

Indeed changes may very well take place. An item from the same Jack Bell article which Archer failed to point out (because it doesn't support his argument) is this:

Bell: "Changes may be made to the league’s structure, salary budget and perhaps the designated player rule when MLS and the union that represents its players negotiate a new collective bargaining agreement at the end of 2009."

Mr Kryptonite continues...

Thus, in order to bring in their rising young stars to give them some experience or whatever the idea is, Barca is going to have to release them from their contracts with the club and let them sign with Major League Soccer, who will then be under no obligation to - would in fact be stupid to - hand them over when Barca decides they want them back.
Except for one major thing that Bill seemed to have missed. That is the fact that MLS and Barcelona are pretty cozy already. In fact they are so cozy that Barcelona has a 5-year marketing and co-operative deal with MLS/SUM. Since like many MLS deals we do not know the precise language of it, whose to say there is not a clause for Barcelona given special consideration for players that they may want in exchange for buying into MLS?

Barcelona is all about grassroots development of players and we'd expect no different here. Barca investing in MLS and perhaps plucking the occasional player from the league to train, trial or eventually sign to FC Barcelona in Spain, would be beneficial to MLS (if the player they plucked was a foreign player playing in MLS) or US national team (if the player the plucked was American).

This is not a Chivas USA situation at all and the comparisons between the two are a stretch. That doesn't mean that Bill and others haven't done it though....
As LUIS BUENO POINTS OUT, while Chivas USA was supposedly going to engage in this same kind of "player sharing" scheme, "Over the past couple seasons, the only thing Chivas USA and Chivas de Guadalajara share are red stripes".

While no one claims to not know what the long term plan of Jorge Vegara is for CD Chivas USA, one thing is clear, MLS needed him at the time he bought into the league. Barcelona however is an international brand recognized around the world. Chivas, not nearly as much.

Archer continues...

Then there's the question of salary: even if their MLS partners are willing to give them a pass on the player contract issue - which is very doubtful at best - there's no way on Earth that they'll also give them a pass on the cap. And how many budding young Barcelona players are going to be willing to come to Miami for even the MLS minimum (currently $33,000) let alone the Developmental salary (currently a sack of rice and four cans of Spam per week)? Obviously if you start with a wrong assumption, you end up with a REALLY wrong conclusion. The reality is that Bill Archer A) does not know what a post-CBA 2010 salary cap will look like, B) thinks that such players would only be viable options if they played for league minimum and C) totally doesn't consider that the salary cap will be managed by having a healthy mix of quality players from the USL along with loan deals (you know what a loan deal is Bill right?) from the Spain based club and the DP star or stars. D) At least one youth player who played significant minutes with Barca was on a $50,000 year salary so this is not unreasonable.

Out of ideas, Archer throws out this canard....

Finally, there seems to be a somewhat disturbing attitude on display from the Barcelona group. As ANDREA CANALES NOTES Laporta is now insisting that MLS accept their big and let them start play in 2010. The problem with that is that last January, in trying to put the screws to - excuse me, to "encourage" - Philadelphia and St. Louis to submit their bids, Garber announced that whoever got there first would be the only team enering the league in 2010, and later reiterated that no more teams would be allowed in the same year as Philadelphia. Furthermore, Laporta is now saying that Barca's bid is a one-time, "take it or leave it" proposition, and if MLS decides to either not accept them this time around OR not accept them for 2010 that they'll withdraw their bid forever. I'm not terribly positive here, but I'm thinking that Phil Anschutz, Clark Hunt

and the rest of the owners don't really respond all that well to what amounts to a threat. Barcelona seems to feel that MLS is frothing at the mouth over the prospect of landing them.

What you see as a threat Bill, billionaires often see as an opportunity. As we have seen, in the current economic climate, the expansion picture in MLS is fluid. Bids seen as a shoe-in are suddenly called into question. Meanwhile, Barcelona steadfastly stands by MLS ready and willing to dive in feet first with a plan for success. I do not see any MLS board of governor looking badly on what amounts to a very high profile, soccer credible player entering their, group. While Clark Hunt, Stan Kroenke and Robert Kraft may not be too thrilled, I'd suspect that Red Bull, Vegara, MLSE, Phil Anshutz, DC United Holdings, Oscar De La Hoya, Joe Roth and Paul Allen will welcome someone willing to spend a little to make the over all MLS brand of fútbol more credible as well as having another "spend money" vote at the table.

I think they're mistaken. I think the owners don't see them any differently than they see Joey Saputo

, another guy who thought MLS couldn't live without him. I think you are quite wrong. I also think that if you sincerely believe that you know nothing about FC Barcelona.
Coincidentally, as all these questions were arising, Commissioner Garber was making his stop in Miami for the ritual "formal presentation" of the bid. It didn't go well. Garber mentioned that FIU had artificial turf, and that the league would prefer grass. Marcelo Claure says he explained to Garber that "that's the best turf there is". Well, I'm glad we've cleared that up.

Two words here Bill: Toronto, Seattle.

Money talks.

Then Garber asked how long it was going to take for Miami to get a soccer stadium built. Claure allowed as to how he wasn't particularly interested, that he liked FIU just fine. Garber inquired about the lack of luxury suites. Claure told him they didn't need them. Basically, the Barcelona group is STARTING TO GET DEMANDING, acting as if they're doing MLS a favor.
Barcelona in MLS would do more to help gain the league credbility in the one area which Garber has repeatedly refered to: the soccer fan in the US who is not yet an MLS fan. Face it Bill. That's a whole lot of us. Our numbers show up in ratings for the World Cup, and English Premier League yet do not show up for MLS games.

For MLS to turn a corner with THESE fans Bill, it will take a European powerhouse like FC Barcelona to raise the bar. MLS knows this, Garber knows this and he has repeatedly refered to the Barcelona bid as a sign of the league's progress and who can blame him? Just a short 5 years ago the suggestion that a club like Barcelona would be interested in buying into the single-entity, cost controlled MLS would have been seen as crazy.

Lastly....

And here's the thing: MLS BigSoccer Topics screwed the pooch in Miami the first time. To say that the Ken Whoreowitz disaster left a bad taste in the mouths of South Florida soccer fans is an understatement of colossal proportions. MLS can't afford another Florida fiasco. If this outfit goes down, be it due to hubris if nothing else, the league will be finished there forever.

There will be snow on the hills of hell before they get another shot.

Says who Bill? MLS held out hope against hope that someone, ANYONE, would show an interest in a return to Miami. There were not many takers. Until now. And this one comesa with lots of money and marketing power. I dare say more than Joe Roth and the Seattle Sounders FC yet you are willing to give them a pass.

Were the Fusion run badly. Yes. But what Bill seems to forget is that most of the people who are into this sport here in Miami TODAY weren't even at Fusion games. The games weren't played in Miami and might as well have been played on the Moon. Likewise the Fusion "brand" if you can call it that, carried no tradition, no history, no weight. Nothing. Nada. It was Mickey Mouse. At the time of the Fusion the demographics were very different and the Fusion did not really attract a lot of the kinds of people the FC Barcelona team are sure to attract.

Contrast this to now. A city with many Argentines, Colombians, Brazilians, El Salvadorians, Hondurans, and many other people from central and South America not to mention Haiti, Jamaica, and elsewhere in the Carribbean who love their fútbol.

All over the city of Miami there are plenty of groups of Barcelona fans who gather regularly to watch games on TV. You can see the Barca colors in many places already and this is a place which is just looking for a big club to bring a team to Miami.

Just as Toronto's USL Lynx drew flies yet Toronto FC is wildly successful so would a genuine Fútbol Clube de Barcelona en Miami be a success right from the very start. We are not a minor league city. Both the Fusion and Miami FC were perceived rightly or wrongly as minor league.

Which brings up the final - maybe the fatal - issue:

Really? Is it really the final issue Bill? You've been promising you'd wrap up this long winded piece for a while now....

Barcelona is run by a Board of Directors. Laporta is the President, elected for a four year term (which in fact expires in 2010). What happens two or three years down the road when Laporte has been replaced, the MLS investment is bleeding money, notoriously fickle South Florida is staying away in droves and the projected 78 bazillion shirt sales don't materialize? Particularly if the world economy continues it's death spiral, or even just stagnates for awhile, who's to say Barcelona's board won't look to cut some costs? What's to stop them from ringing up Don Garber

and saying "Thanks for everything, but we're pulling out"? And is that a risk - however small - that MLS can afford to take?

It is said in business: "without risk, with out reward". Indeed, without risk, there would have been no MLS to speak of. After all, why create a national soccer league where so many others have failed, and failed again?

Sound familiar?

Obviously in 1994 a risk was taken. And things were done differently. And we have finally succeeded with this sport.

Bill refers to the economy's spiral yet seems to ignore that Barca is still interested and is not arguing about expansion fees. Perhaps the article could be retitled, "In this Economy, Is Barca To Big To Turn Down?"

Miami if done right by Barcelona would energize the league. It would bring new stars to the league, many who eye Miami not New York or LA as the top US destination. Miami has a big name in Europe. It is a top destination for many European tourists and footballers on holiday already. Miami is also "The Gateway to South America" and MLS knows this which is why they are so keen to get back.

Over the years there are all kinds of risks that MLS has taken, some better than others but if taking a risk on a fútbol club with a 109 year old history, scores of fans around the world, world-wide media attention, plenty of development academies miles ahead of where MLS is just starting, with the experience, temperment and service to the community that Barcelona has is not one that MLS can afford then we all should thank God Bill Archer is not in any decision making capacity at MLS.

Keep in mind, MLS has set as its primary goal winning over the millions of soccer fans in the US who are not yet MLS fans but watch other leagues. Many of these "soccer aware" and "soccer savvy" people would view an FC Barcelona entry into MLS has a step towards legitimacy. After all, for what purpose would a European superclub have buying into what many view as an inferior league when there are plenty of better leagues around the world from Japan, to Mexico with which to place a Barca branded club? Obviously if Barecelona moves into MLS then that moves MLS a bit closer to Barcelona. One can not have one without the other you see.

And should Miami FCB discover another Juan Toja, and move him to the Catalan based team I can think of no better advertisement for MLS worldwide than one of thier players playing for a perennial UEFA Champions League contender.

And make no mistake. The status of MLS and how it is perceived world wide holds a LOT of sway over this group of soccer fanaticos that Garber often refers to.

Likewise, should FCB Miami discover the next Landon Donovan or Jozy Altidore and whisk him off to Spain before the age of 23 I should think that would mark a landmark for the US national team.

Barcelona's MLS expansion is a win-win for the city of Miami, it's citizens and soccer fans, MLS and US Soccer in general and I and many others look forward with anticipation and with excitement to what I hope will be an announcement that the Miami based, Barca-backed club is a reality. A club with a 109 year old history does not think in short terms. This is to our league's advantage, long-term.

EDITORS NOTE: What do you think about the Miami Barcelona bid now? Still against it? More for it now than in the past?

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65 comments

Experience Dogood Says:

Posted on December 17, 2008 11:09 PM
I could barely get through half of that editorial without my eyes glazing over.Forgive me for saying so, but I think both Archer and the author of this editorial have been overwriting the issue.

The answer to the question, "Why the Hate" is simple in my mind. I myself don't agree with the hate towards the Miami bid, but I understand it. Three reasons:

1. Failure of a So. Florida franchise in the past
2. Unsavory track record of professional fans in the area.
3. More deserving cities and supporter groups awaiting a team.

Experience
MLSR Says:

Posted on December 17, 2008 11:14 PM
The author of it does make a good point though. Your points could be applied to MLS prior to 1994...

1. Failure of past soccer leagues. Why risk starting another?

2. Unsavory track record of professional sports fans with regards to soccer in the USA.

3. Higher ratings for things such as bowling and pie eating contests as well as the national spelling bee.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 17, 2008 11:22 PM
Miami will be in MLS in 2010.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 17, 2008 11:28 PM
Chicago fans want to see Miami in MLS in 2010.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 17, 2008 11:29 PM
My God they cant even get 40,000 for a Miami Hurricanes game anymore! Why does anyone think they will average 15,000 for soccer?
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 17, 2008 11:29 PM
Love Miami Love to go to Miami Love to see MLS in Miami.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 17, 2008 11:38 PM
Miami will get MLS in 2010.

LOVE MIAMI

FROM DALLAS.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 17, 2008 11:40 PM
CRY BABY. MIAMI will average 18,000
Miami Ultra Vice Says:

Posted on December 17, 2008 11:50 PM
YEAH BABY! Barca is coming! You better be ready for when Los Culés de Miami run your sorry ass teams off the pitch.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 17, 2008 11:54 PM
Did you really just type up that manifesto to argue with Bill Archer?
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 12:08 AM
That is not a Manefesto, that is a Magnum Opus!

VIVA MIAMI! VIVA BARCA!
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 12:13 AM
Where to start with this editorial. First with the comments about the $9 million revenue. How do you know what Laporta is thinking when he says that? You can't just write that off as "they think further in advance than other owners do". It's a copout response when you don't have anything to back up how you think Laporta is thinking.

Your comment about Barca being Nike and MLS being Adidas is different then Chivas Guad having Reebok and Chivas USA having Adidas since Adidas actually owns Reebok, so that's not a comparable argument.

"Since they are anticipating quite a few world class players on the team" And how are they going to get those few world class players? Currently MLS teams are only allowed 2 DPs max. You're not going to be able to accommodate a few world class players. As for that theory in general, how's that "few world class players supplemented by USL talent" worked out for the LA Galaxy? Not too well. And you mention bringing specific players from Miami FC, how did those players do this year with Miami FC? That's right, they missed out on the playoffs, not comparable to those teams you mention that did well in the CONCACAF Champion's League.

While Barca can choose to pay transfer fees, remember the problem that Columbus had originally getting Pat Noonan back to MLS, MLS would not accept the original contract offer the Crew made to Noonan, the same could happen with Barca.

I think you're assuming too much from the original SUM/MLS Barca deal. You make the exact opposite argument of Bill without the same information he doesn't have. You're just coming to the exact opposite conclusion.

Your comments about the salary cap are the same, you just throw out the exact opposite of Bill without any info. Also with loan deals, MLS again has to agree to those deals and they're not just going to be loaned with Barca paying the entire salary.

The reason for the ultimatum about the entry into the league probably has a lot to do with Laporta's presidential term ending in 2010, and his feeling that if he's not elected the person who replaces him won't want to do this.

As for those that don't watch MLS now but watch the EPL and World Cup, what happens when Barca's world wide credibility doesn't lead to the team that you think should represent Barca? Those fans are going to leave because the Barca name is there in name only not in talent on the field. I also disagree that it adds credibility to the league. How many leagues in the world have teams that child clubs of like Chivas and Barca are/would be?

And in your final part you only focus on the potential upside of the situation. Bill does raise a very good point about Laporta and his presidency. Even if the Miami club doesn't hemorrhage money (it could even be making a small profit), the new president could just decide that it's not worth it to keep investing in it. What happens to the team then? It's a very big worry for people. For me that's the biggest issue with the bid from Miami, and one for me still hasn't been answered satisfactory enough for me to support this bid. I'm still against a Miami club.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 12:19 AM
Holy crap due, this is a comments section not a place to write a novel.

Why does this site keep giving this Archer guy so much press? Unbelievable, I have no clue who he is not do I want to know but you constantly keep putting his name out there, I don't get it.

Didn't read the whole entry author, too damn long and boring, sorry.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 12:25 AM
Why not a novel? The post itself was about as long as Beowulf.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 12:28 AM
This DCU supporter would welcome Miami back into the fold. Get Ray Hudson involved. Just not as coach!
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 12:29 AM
Zzzzzz Zzzzzz Zzzzzzz Wake me when this Barca/Miami nonsense is over.

Portland, Vancouver, St Louis, Ottowa.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 12:35 AM
Florida has failed twice before.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 12:36 AM
There are other clubs that deserve a chance before another failed Florida franchise
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 12:43 AM
Its one thing for barca to own a MLS team and another to make a Miami a barca Clone!

Barca can definetly own a team!

Making Miami a puppet clone red headed step child is definitely wrong!

Just say no to MLS becoming a farm club.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 12:44 AM
2010 bidding process is over and Philly won....

... try for 2011 barca
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 12:48 AM
I would be a lot less apprehensive about the Miami bid if MiamiFCB would come out and say they won't be a puppet club like Chivas USA.

That's the only reason I don't like the Miami bid.
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Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 3:31 AM
^^^
Idiot. So clever.

Pwned, as the original blog had a lot of conjectures and hypothesis.
Ian Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 4:15 AM
I'm telling you guys - we should let Barca have a shot at injecting some soccer life into Florida. A lot of young foreign talent, NOT just aging past stars, will be attracted to a well financed MiamiFCB and that is huge.

Sure, there are problems with the facility, different corporate power structure and past resentment but focusing too much on the negative is just as inaccurate a position as being overly positive.

For example, people keep throwing around this "weak economy" angle but forget that all but the very top tier sports clubs - think legendary teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Lakers, Cowboys, etc. - will lose profits. The two Spanish soccer clubs that are of this class are of course Real Madrid and Barca. Their bid is the ONLY one that guarantees an alliance with a top tier soccer name and therefore, the most stable economic foundation of any other bid. Just look at the rumors swirling around the instability of the Philadelphia bid's owner.

Should Barca be more accommodating? Certainly. They need a good answer for the 2010 election to reassure MLS. They also need to answer the farm club concern - perhaps explaining their methods of association which could include ideas like shared training sessions between Barca and Miami, matching coaching philosophies, young player exchange, etc.

It is close to impossible however to predict that Miami will play "just like" a mini-Barca since the MLS style of play is different than La Liga's. I don't really think we have too much to worry about there, especially with the disparity in star power between the two teams. Presumably all teams are trying to win and the easiest way to do that is to maximize the skill sets of the players and play a style of soccer that allows those players to shine. A good coach will make MiamiFCB look like whatever they need to look like to win matches and compete, period.

In sum, MiamiFCB is a good idea once you stop hating it without sorting it out and thinking about it in detail. Barca, it seems, might end up dropping the ball if they don't begin to understand the pain felt by long time MLS fans that watched a total fool run two entertaining soccer teams from Florida into the ground.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 8:54 AM
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Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 8:57 AM
So many Cry babies and so much jealousy.

Face it people Miami will be in 2010.

Seattle is with pulling for Miami.
Andy Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 9:18 AM
It really doesn't add a whole lot of credibility to all the Anonymous pro Miami post in every comments section when
A) They're all Anonymous
B) They all appear usually in succession within about 5 minutes of each other and
C) They all say/sound like the same 12 year old with nothing better to do with his day.

Now MLSR is hiring a copy/paste master who then slings opposing commentary. You dosn't even have the stones to debate the topic with the author they apparently despise in a format that easily known to most who post comments here in a common message board format. Instead we get a comments section and a reload of 5000 ads if we try to go back and read something else from the site.

I also like how you throw around the term "editors" as if there were some sort of weight to that term of a site like this. It's rumors, I get it and am not going to bash the site but editors in this case aren't recomposing and delivering exclusive news that matters, they would be more spell checkers and format correction blogger group - meaning probably no real traing or experience in outside of this site and maybe a college class or two.

Trim that editorial down, you lost your readers by paragraph 6 and the 8th italicized sentence and over formatted fonts. I appreciate editorials but this is more of a lengthy message board post meant for direct debate rather than offering anything new outside of "I don't like what he said".

BTW 2010 is done. Max 2 DP's per team. Same salary cap. Other owners will call bullshit if Barca tries any off the table payments for players.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 9:27 AM
God! That was one of the worst written pieces I've ever read. You guys at MLSR need an editor and some writers who can actually come up with well thought-out arguments, not some fanboy's incoherent ramblings. Yikes!
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 9:59 AM
As the Red Bulls have shown, a big-pocketed sponsor does not equal attendance. Portland has a huge grass-roots soccer scene and is more deserving. Who cares who sponsors the team when the attendance is likely to be weak?
FreddySpurs Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 10:37 AM
Hello from England.

I came across this site quite by accident while searching for transfer rumors and I have to admit, I don't follow the yankee league much. Beckham is past it.

However I do have to agree with whoever wrote this that Miami is a hot destination. I'd be keen on coming to visit since I try to holiday in Miami every few years or so.

Might take in a game or two in the MSL if there is a Barcelona team in Miami. Why not?
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Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 10:40 AM
I going to happen Miami and St Louis in MLS in 2010 and 2011.

San Jose for Miami.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 10:41 AM
Why the dirty words.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 10:41 AM
Why the dirty words.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 10:42 AM
Atlanta is happy if Miami get the expansion team.
Brazilian Fan Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 11:00 AM
Well, its a good article, besides the fact that he just respond the guy and don't have new and good arguments. Seriously, i am not a pro Miami expansion, neither a Miami expansion hater, but its always the same thing, the same talk...

By the way, let me ask something to the Miami supporters: Do you think that having Barcelona supporting your club, soccer will become huge in Miami and USA, like never before? Do you think that the world will look to MLS as a extraordinary league just because Barcelona has a team on it?

Nothing against, but you guys should take easy in that point and be realistic. Soccer, like any other sport, needs time and titles. Is not because Barcelona is supporting the team that everybody will watch MLS. Be aware in that point.

Good luck Miami fans...
Good luck Miami haters...

Soon we will see that some will be right and anothers will be wrong. Lets wait.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 11:23 AM
If Miami gets in it will be a spectacular failure. Bad stadium, questionable motives from Barca, a miserable record of supporting pro sports teams. Of course the tiny cabal of inbreds that support this joke of a bid will piss all over everyone and try and convince you it's raining.

St. Louis, Portland, Vancouver, even Montreal if Saputo got back in it, are all far more deserving than Miami. Garber had better do what's right for soccer and tell this bid to take a hike.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 1:04 PM
I've got to say that I am a little more supportive of Miami than I was before. The editorial made a persuasive argument why this franchise should work better than Miami Fusion.

I won't kick and scream if Miami gets in, but I still think MLS needs Portland more than any of the other prospective cities.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 1:05 PM
I am from Germany. I would like to go to an MLS game on my next trip to Miami. Thank you.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 1:25 PM
As someone who supports FCB Miami:

Your commentary on Archer's article was idiotic.

Archer's wrong about a number of things, but you're wrong about almost everything. And you're a dick about it.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 1:26 PM
More against it then ever. All you did was spew the same Miami resident BS. Archers points are completely valid and you ignored almost all of them with words like "canard". Way to use the online dictionary, idiot.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 2:27 PM
FCB Miami / Portland Timbers.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 2:30 PM
Another San Jose fan for Miami and Portland.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 3:09 PM
Miami is going nowhere. No chance.
Cameron_PDX Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 3:23 PM
I think we need to form our own identity as a league and stop trying to borrow from others' credibility.

Barca should not get Miami, nor should there be a NY2 team. Portland is by far the most deserving and obvious choice, St. Louis is deserving, but Vancouver would really establish a huge west coast presence. Toronto FC has been really succesfull, I think Van might be too... big might though given hockey, failed b-ball, and they say its called arena football.

MLS2PDX

PORTLAND
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 3:31 PM
Regardless of whether one approves or disapproves of a Barcelona Miami teamin MLS, there's one clear flaw here: The author presumes that tons of Miami residents will show up -- and, most importantly, keep coming back -- to see this team just because it has FCB kits. This line of logic completely ignores the number one reason these fans already refuse to show up to MLS games all over the nation: MLS's decidedly mediocre quality of play. If history is any guide, it stands to reason that the more likely result of this FCB Miami idea will closely resemble what we've seen with Chivas USA -- some good crowds early on that, after seeing a crappy team clad in Chivas uniforms playing low-grade soccer, left the stadium and never came back, leaving the club mired near the bottom of the league in attendance and struggling mightily to keep its dwindling fan base intact.

The whole concept is plainly silly, quite frankly. It's the sporting equivalent of slapping the Ferrari logo on a Ford Focus and expecting the thing to be wildly popular just because it has a fancy brand on it. Even D-minus marketing majors will easily be able to grasp the flaws in that theory. Just as no one will buy that crappy car after one test drive, no one will show up to see that kind of crappy team after watching them play (poorly!) once. Honestly, if Barca brass are smart, they'll look for someplace where the whole league isn't rigged to make every team as uniformly crappy as all the other ones to start up a new farm franchise. I don't know why they just don't go buy up Barcelona de Guayaquil in Ecuador instead of buying into MLS -- the team is already branded perfectly, could surely be had for a similar price given how impoverished a nation Ecuador is, and it plays in a better-quality league than MLS. Problem solved!
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 4:20 PM
miami averages 5,000 to a marlins game and when they hosted the world series they didnt even sell out!!!!!!!

And remember Miami is in the south where Football is big they cant even sell out there dolphins games!!!!!
Uncle Ed Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 4:24 PM
Go Barcelona Miami!!!
The fans will go, stop crying haters. Archer is an Idiot!
Miami will be in MLS in 2010!
A1660mctwist Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 4:38 PM
I sent that to MLSR about the USL players and Barca players in the article ...........................ANYBODY THAT THINKS MFCB WOULD A BAD THINK FOR THE LEAGUE IS ABSOLUTELY OUT OF THEIR BLOODY MINDS!!!

Every single nationality IN THE WORLD LIVES IN FLORIDA, if u have ever been, u would no lads

They will have a greatly diverse international team and will sell tickets more than ANY OTHER FRANCHISE IN AMERICA, YOU BETTER BLOODY BELIEVE IT MATE!!!
You CANNOT judge MIAMI's possible attendance unless u live in florida.....every body loves and plays soccer

P.S.
i hope Henry and Marquez come to MFCB along with others from barca

MIAMI & VANCOUVER 2011!!!!
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 4:43 PM
Everyone, including Bill Archer, is forgetting one thing. FCB can loan any player to Miami FCB and pay that player from FCB so that the player has a minimal impact on the Miami FCB salary cap.

You don't think so? Just watch it happen. It is exactly what Chivas G should have done with Chivas USA. Buy a good player, and loan him to chivas USA at a discounted salary.

There is no rule in MLS or FIFA that prohibits it, and it is usually the way it works. Think about it this way, MU gets a hot young stud at the age of 18, and offers to pay him well, then loans him to QPR. Obviously QPR cannot afford the contract that MU gave this kid, so MU pays the kid the contracted wage and QPR pays MU the loan fee.

This will work with FCB and Miami FCB. Chivas should have done this a long time ago, but they didn't and are stupid.
A1660mctwist Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 4:48 PM
You people ar down right bloody stupid,,,its like fuckin politics...FLORIDA,CALIFORNIA,
TEXAS, AND NY ARE THE MOST SOCCER FANATIC STATES IN THE WHOLE BUMFUCKIN COUNTRY
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 5:16 PM
" FCB can loan any player to Miami FCB and pay that player from FCB so that the player has a minimal impact on the Miami FCB salary cap."

Bingo. Finally someone with some sense. Laporta already said he'd do this and MLS has suddenly become very friendly to loan deals both too and from its clubs.

Count on it. Miami will be in MLS before 2012.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 5:23 PM
FACT: If you google "Bill Archer" and hit Feeling Lucky you get "Douchebag". no lie
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 5:45 PM
I've just about HAD IT with people who can't even type a proper sentence (it's "you," NOT "u," juvenile morons!) talking smack to those of us who CAN. Have fun being trapped at Wal-Mart or Jiffy Lube your entire life by those first-grade writing skills, you gramatically clueless retards!
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 6:20 PM
Hey, why don't you just go fck yourself you classist fuck. It's people like us who will support a football team.
Erick Perez Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 7:21 PM
Miami will be as successful as TFC !!
DCU Fan Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 7:39 PM
My only two Problems with FCBMiami are:
-That the city of Miami cannot support sports team; The Marlins and the Panthers both draw very poorly.
-I can't stand seeing teams use football stadiums. New York, New England, and soon-to-be Seattle. It makes MLS look like some 3rd Division shit-league.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 10:19 PM
you want to be fucked in the ass?
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 18, 2008 11:48 PM
Barcelona in Miami will be the Jerry Springer of Soccer Franchises. The responses to this post are proof.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 19, 2008 1:09 AM
Barca Miami 2010!!!!! We'll bring in the local as well as the international fans to the league...I can already see our kits being worn around the GLOBE!!!!!!!
Ian Says:

Posted on December 19, 2008 1:50 AM
How can you say that comment threads like this are harmful to the league? This thread is an example of the passion that MLS sorely needs.

The league needs you to hate MiamiFCB. This hate will create an even more rabid MiamiFCB fan base, especially if the team is successful. The fans, and yes the international fans arriving in Miami for vacation, will come to the stadium to defend the club against its enemies. It's already happening in this thread and the team doesn't even exist yet.

The reason nobody gives a crap about the Florida baseball teams is that nobody hates them - there are no rivals for them because they invented a history from scratch. Baseball fans in general can take them or leave them.

Florida college football teams sell out constantly because of intense rivalry and mutual hatred. The passion of the Seminoles, Gators and 'Canes created the drive to win. This drive to win created higher quality of play.

This rivalry factor is huge and I think some squads benefit from it more than others. Portland and Vancouver make sense in this way, especially since Seattle is in now. Montreal would be great for Toronto fans and vice versa.

St. Louis doesn't make too much sense here since their rival would be Kansas City and they are one of the tamest fan bases in MLS. Philly would probably match up against either DC United or NYRB, the first being better than the second but still not ideal.

Oh, and for those people who wanna diss the importance of big time sponsors - I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be shopping for Sounders FC kits without Paul Allen's computer money.
Anonymous Says:

Posted on December 19, 2008 6:22 PM
This is a joke Barcelona USA? What's next Bayern Munich USA? Come on this is a joke... We want an elite league? Put Barca USA in Miami and all the MLS becomes is a farm team for Europe. This is a shame, we go for a cookie cutter European satellite, and pass on an opportunity to have a unique established football culture in Portland with an established rivalry with Seattle. I guess the money talks.... If Barca USA comes to fruition I will quit being a fan of the MLS.
AmericanSoccerFan Says:

Posted on December 20, 2008 11:12 AM
It will be the Death of MLS, if they cave in and make a huge mistake and give a franchise to Miami, a place sports teams go to die!

You can't make money on a few Euros who want to maybe watch a game of footie while they go to South Beach... can't work, never will work......

Florida is a college football state... period....... that's it...... and they have a gillion immigrants who follow euro footie, or the teams from their country *ONLY*, they will care LESS about a team in Florida.. they never have shown up for those games, NEVER WILL......

So watch, if MLS makes the mistake and puts a team in MIAMI, the league will die quickly.
Robert Says:

Posted on December 20, 2008 12:07 PM
Love how the anti-Miami-for-MLS crowd makes false arguments about something they know nothing about. As a pro-Miami MLS person who not blinded by the passion on either side of this, it only makes sense that a top European club like Barca can only be a plus for the MLS. Turning them away just ensures that the MLS will continue to rank right up there with bowling in US popularity. Miami has an large, intense but diverse soccer fan base that just needs to unite around a team. Barca could do just that, since they're highly regarded by practically every Miami soccer fan (no built-in Central/South American rivalries to fragment the fan base - a HUGE consideration in Miami). Of course, the team's performance will have a lot to do with attendance, but isn't that the case everywhere? The FIU stadium isn't luxurious, but it's more than adequate and well-situated in the heart of the soccer-loving community in Miami. Plus, the stadium will be expanded in the years to come and the university is planning a Town Center of sorts right next to it which will make the area a destination for more than just sports.

Those who profess to know about Miami's "unsavory track record" with professional sports fail to recognize the true reasons some franchises have failed here (lack of marketing, playing home games 50 miles from your fan base ala Miami Fusion). They also fail to see the strong support of well-established and respected franchises like the Miami Dolphins.

Of course, MLS fans have little ground to stand on when it comes to complaining about other areas' fan attendance, since MLS attendance has been pretty much stagnant (around 15,000-16,000 since its inception).

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