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We received the following email at our mailbox and thought we'd share it. It gives an insider's view of the Toronto fan situation which makes some intelligent points worth of note and discussion...
Dear friends at mls-rumors,
I would like to share some information and a little opinion about Brett
Clarckson's "Kicking out at hooliganism"
article in the Toronto Sun. First of all I would like to mention that I am
a Toronto FC supporter; I belong to a
supporter's group, and I am a traveling supporter as well as a season
ticket holder for TFC games. However, as
much passion as I have towards TFC, I always try to look at every issue
from both sides of the spectrum and it
angers me when these so called reporters cannot do the same.
"Kicking out at hooliganism" starts off on the wrong side of things
straight from its title...hooliganism??? This is not
hooliganism! If in fact security at BMO after the Crew vs. TFC game was as
bad as he describes it, hooligans would
make sure that the Crew fans didn't get to their buses without at least a
few bloody noses, and there would be more
than one person arrested. This is just an example of drunk nonsense;
something every sport city experiences once in
a while. As a matter of fact, security at BMO is the tightest I've seen in
the MLS. Not only can the security at BMO
handle the fans, but they come down much harder on us (the home fans) than
the traveling ones. On the other hand
you have stadium security in other MLS cities, such as Columbus for
example: where we were getting pepper
sprayed, while the Columbus fans coming towards us were getting a "come on
guys, get back" from the local Police
authorities. Or maybe in Washington DC, where our so called security led us
outside RFK Stadium and left us all
alone in the middle of at least 100 United fans that were specifically
waiting for us to come out. And if that's not
enough than there's always the time when security guards in Chicago didn't
even notice when Fire supporters
crossed into our section which resulted in an in-stadium brawl between the
two groups.
Now let's look at the really moronic text in the article. Let's take
"Instead of handshakes and hellos, the two groups
traded insults..." for example...has Mr. Clarckson ever been exposed to
football (soccer) before writing this article?
Why would I ( a Toronto FC supporter) shake hands with a Crew fan who is
coming to my city to see my team lose?
Or how about "security appeared to take no action against the beer
tossers", well I guess Brett Clarckson never even
been to a football ground with a 20,000 capacity. How can you possibly find
someone who threw a beer when there
are people all around jumping and waving flags? If this had happened in a
packed stadium elsewhere, the security
would have no solution either.
Sure, the security did make a big mistake by leading "the increasingly
anxious and soaked Columbus fans to their
bus about 10 minutes after the game's end." As a TFC supporter since day
one I can say this: we are proud, we are
true football fans and sometimes we are rowdy, but we are rowdy with
passion and not violence. It seems that the
MLS and fans around the league have been waiting to make us the "bad guys"
since Danny Dichio's first goal when
we threw the seat cushions on the field at BMO, But let's not blow things
out of proportion. It takes just one trip to a
football match almost anywhere else in the world to realize that this
league is probably the most peaceful one in the
world!
--SR--
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J-League is the most peaceful league in the world.
Haha...watch this and tell me if you still think so:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3dOtjjSPeI
"Why would I ( a Toronto FC supporter) shake hands with a Crew fan who is coming to my city to see my team lose?"
This is the problem I have with TFC fans. Most MLS fans are not only fans of their team, but fans of the league. I have a mutual respect for other MLS fans, as we are so few compared to other sports. The Crew fans will be coming to New England this week, and if I can, I will shake their hands because they a MLS fan, not just a Revs fan.
From the outset Toronto fans had a "we'll show them" attitude. And they're the only fans in the league who see their team as an expression of nationalist pride every week. Toronto's inclusion in MLS had trouble written all over it from the get-go. That the MLS has encouraged their puerile methods of demonstrating "passion and sophistication" is maddening. It's never a good idea to turn a domestic club competition into an international gripefest. And that's we now have.
Maybe everyone should just grow up and realize that its just a game, and outside the stadium, we're just all human beings and there's no need to fight about it.
TFC's support in the MLS has nothing to do with Nationalist pride!!!
What you guys have to understand is that most football (soccer) fans in Canada are originally from "REAL" soccer countries, where support for your soccer club comes before anything else. It is that precise attitude that TFC supporters follow and integrate into the MLS as well.
Toronto supporters have raised the level of passion in the MLS way beyond the league's wildest dreams!!!
So instead of sitting and whining about how TFC fans should have a more "family environment" approach to their support, try to understand the passion and dedication (something that American sports have very little when compared to "the world game")
the guy who wrote this letter or statement is an idiot, he is trying to say TFC are the good guys and everyone else is harrasing them. lol TFC needs this off field problems because on the field they are shit, o wait in there wannable english accent they are "SHITE". Since when did Canada only have citizens from other countries, I guess we dont come from countries that play a real futbol? Look around -----, all the foreigners that come to your country come there as an alternative because they cant get in the US, so they say well at least there is canada, they let everyone in. You ever look at the border, even craxico has a tighter border.
Chicago supporters NEVER came into the visitor's section, that conflict that you described as an all stadium brawl was actually just some beer throwing and a few puffed-up chests and shoves from both sides and it was only the fans in the next section over. There wasn't even a 'brawl' to speak of.
They were not Section 8 people. Section 8 was at the North end of the stadium, and not even near where your group was in the SouthEast corner. As a 'supporter', you should know the difference between 'fans' and supporters.
Then what's with all the Canuck flags when Toronto plays? Your sneering is an example of what we don't want and what others have complained about in this thread. Get it? You don't care about the league. And I don't blame you for not caring about American soccer. But guess what, pal. We do. And Toronto fans speak of their city as if it's the only city in the world with immigrants and soccer fans. Toronto's fans make noise not become it comes naturally to them as football sophisticates but because they love the attention.
You guys are too ignorant, and some of your comments are even childish!
"the guy who wrote this letter or statement is an idiot..."
"Since when did Canada only have citizens from other countries..."
First of all let me bring to your attention the fact that I have never called anyone "stupid" or "moron" or any other thing of that nature. I have never said that Toronto is the only immigrant driven city in North America, nor did I ever state that Toronto is the ONLY city with true football fans!
What I am simply trying to explain, is that at this time our fans are generally regarded as drunken hooligans, WHICH IS NOT TRUE!!!
YES, our product on the field is shit or shite (whatever you want to call it), and yet we pack the house game in game out!
YES, you will hear about the occasional scrap involving a TFC fan, but as I stated in my "comment" it's most likely some drunk idiot.
Our supporter groups DO NOT condone football hooliganism, and violence in general!!! I think that's the point all of you are missing!
Instead of just writing an opposing opinion for the sake of writing something, read and try to understand what I am saying!
Everyone should grow up because we're all human beings? Tell that to Don Garber. His method of encouraging passion is to exploit ethnic and nationalist angst.
What Kind of Fan SHAKES HANDS with a RIVAL SUPPORTER after a F'ing game. you KKKrew act like hippies to these supporters, after you name yourselves "HOOLIGANS", which you do NOTHING of that nature. TFC fans show more hooliganism than you, and this is Nothing compared to Hooliganism for the years to come. just watch it grow....
"Toronto supporters have raised the level of passion in the MLS way beyond the league's wildest dreams!!!"
Riiiight, there was none before you and everyone stole your chants and what no too... Whatever guys, you have no idea how isolated you are on idiot island. Even the supporter that wrote this note talks about position, yet immediately starts to reference people who get bloody noses and we get pepper sprayed etc.. Guess what, you don't get that if you're not being an asshole. Your default stance/position/outlook is in the wrong place.
Other supporters are generally pleased when there is a traveling contingent knowing that we're building our league so we're all fans of soccer in the US. There is not a place for segregation and division of the entire fan base - we have to fight that battle already with about 5 other sports. You set the communal effort back when do some of the idiot stuff you guys do like with the visiting Columbus supporters and it gets in the press - press a newspaper loves btw. No one is rallying for family centric atmosphere but to go at your fellow fan with such angst just because he's got a different color on his kit is just flat out idiotic at this stage; any stage. Columbus did what to you exactly?
Maybe if Toronto fans could quit beating their own collective chest for long enough to see that there is a bigger picture going on here. Understand the culture/effort beyond your own neighborhood please; you don't want to be Torontrailerpark FC. Right now that is the growing perception.
From all the previous comments I can see why the attendance at most MLS stadiums is horrible. If you want to go to a bingo hall with your family and have a quality bonding time do so but don't try to tell me that you are a 'football' fan if your idea of football is to attend games where you give out large cookies as prizes for the fans (Columbus if you want to know).
In Canada we are proud of our local team and our country too bad many of you don't really have the confidence or faith in your country that you question if you should have a flag at the game.
By the way there are many people who come from footballing countries that use the US as a stopover and once they get a chance they actually move to Canada later on because it's the obvious thing to do so go ask them why they do it. I deal with those people everyday.
"Torontrailerpark FC."???????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Columbus fans that traveled to Toronto had 100 teeth combined! What are you talking about?
Actually Clarkson attended the game on Saturday and has season tickets himself.
Just saying.
"...if your idea of football is to attend games where you give out large cookies as prizes for the fans (Columbus if you want to know)."
haha...I remember that!
ok, you guys care about the league and we don't! and you have real fans. then how come:
• We can pick our asses up and bring 100, 200, 300 (or 2700 people to Columbus), and you guys can't?
• We have people traveling to San Jose at the end of the year.
• and we have people going to the MLS Cup final (which obviously will not include our team)
All you guys do is complain..."ohh, Toronto is only allocating 100 tickets for away supporters" PLEASE...we never seen more than 30 people from ANY other MLS city at BMO!!!
STOP WHINING!
people need to lay off toronto fans.
they have never beaten columbus and that REALLY gets under their skin.
i think we can all agree: there's a lot of angst north of the border.
oh, and columbus is MASSIVE. that is all.
"It's never a good idea to turn a domestic club competition into an international gripefest. And that's we now have"
Tell that to the jackasses in DC that where wearing "Fuck Canada" t-shirts
"Toronto's fans make noise not become it comes naturally to them as football sophisticates but because they love the attention."
Are you an idiot? What do you see happen at every other sporting event, like the Ryder Cup? You arrogant Americans wouldn't stop chanting "USA! USA! USA!" all GOLF match long. Screaming slander at the Europeans and so on. You douches love the attention, crave the attention, and when another city from another Country (which by the way has no IGLOOS and we do speak English - you uneducated moron!)shows more passion and is supported better, you call us attention seekers. Get a life!
Toronto fans do not see the big picture. But they could never be expected to. That is why they never should have put a team in Canada. You guys can yap all you want. But, "at the end of the day," you still want to be in OUR league. If you don't like it so much, start your own.
To the other Canuck genius who banged about flags: why would I want to wave a US flag at an MLS game? Not wanting to do so does not mean that I'm down on my country.
There wouldn't be any "F*ck Canada" t-shirts if there wasn't a Canadian team. You're making my argument for me, sportsfan.
If you guys knew even a little bit of what goes on at a TFC game then you would know that the RPB, U-sector, etc. dont condone any kind of violent behaviour. You speak as if only TFC fans are involved in fights in-game and post-game which is not true at all. Wasn't there a big scrap during a Houston, DC game earlier in the year (may have the wrong teams stated).
We have actually had great tailgates with supporters from Dallas and New England to mention a few.
Thats not the point anyway. Everyone needs to realize that the actions of a few dont represent the actions of the many. If 5 cups of beer get thrown onto the field, are you really going to condemn the 5,000 supporters that sit in that section with them? Sounds pretty idiotic if you ask me.
"There wouldn't be any "F*ck Canada" t-shirts if there wasn't a Canadian team. You're making my argument for me, sportsfan."
You're an idiot!
That is all.
There are two different issues here. The first is security marching two groups of people right into each other. The other is supporters (fans?) throwing crap on the field, and other actions during games.
Security should be responsible for not creating unnecessary confrontations. That's a problem you can blame security for.
But, if it's too hard for security to find fans who are tossing beer on the field, then they can't be reponsible for stopping them. Just like security at a Crew game can't be responsible for someone yelling a racist comment.
Who can stop things like this? Other supporters. So, SR, if you really care, direct some of your passion to self-policing. Make TFC stadium a place where teams can appreciate the atmosphere without the showers of Molson's.
If this crap keeps up, we'll have a ban on booze at games in a few years. Nobody wants that, but maybe it'll be for the best.
Sticky:
I think you make some valid points, and it's nice to see an intelligent post for a change!
We do "self-police" our section. The people in our section who belong to the supporter's group NEVER throw beer/hard object onto the pitch.
P.S. No Molson beer at BMO...it's Carlsberg :)
--SR--
To all of you wussies saying "waah, we are all fans of the league, we should't fight." You're what is wrong with so many MLS cities. I am a DC United fan and when I see or hear some fucking Cannuck Johnny Come Lately foreigner or "foreigner wannabe" singing or. chanting in my stadium or on my metro I usually want to throttle them cause they are so arrogant and ignorant. "We showd MLS what a real football atmosphere is like." You see. Ignorant.Ignorant of the fact that we in DC have been doing that for our entire existence. There is a reason most players like Shalrie Joseph say our stadium and atmosphere is the most intimidating.There's a reason why Toronto has yet to match us when it comes to Tifo. There's a reason why Chicago supporter while fewer are usually louder than them, hell Portlant Timbers Army is louder than the Cannucks.
Take away all the drunken louts who have no idea what real supporters do and you have the same crowd in toronto as most other MLS cities.Toronto can't carry on a song more than a minute or two and they try so hard to coordinate that which comes natural to us in DC, in Houston, in Chicago, in LA (Chivas), yet WE are the ones who "don't get it?!?!?!"
If you have to manufacture an atmosphere and post on message boards after every game about "how we looked on TV" then you are the ones who don't get it. If you have to call out people for not jumping in unison, then you don't get it. If you think throwing shit at players is support, then you don't get it, if it took 2 years for you to get a capo then you don't get it.
And that's what pisses me and probably most other fans and supporters around the league off.
The portrayal of us as a bunch of soccer moms by a bunch of wannabe green street hooligans.
You know what, fuck off. The next time you come to DC cannucks, I will personally like to introduce you to some fine DC cuisine, the knuckle sandwich courtesy of my friend Mr. Brass Knuckle.
When I see you guys I don't see another MLS fan, I see some provincial wannabes. When I see Columbus fans I don't see another MLS fan, I see racists, inbreds and yokels, when I see Red Bull "supporters" I see a steaming pile of shit.
Fuck all of you. You're all a level below us.
Really would have helped if you showed both sides of the issue for things involving the Crew like you are doing here with TFC.
TFC fans aren't hooligans, they are stupid for supporting a really crappy team.
To that DC fan. Fuck you and your fucking shit team. We're above you and your thugs.
Look at the standings you misguided asshole.
I'd love you to try to meet "Mr Knuckle". I'll introduce him to Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson.
I've been to a Toronto game and worn my opposing team's jersey. I didn't get punched, and most fans were ok and only talked smack. But after the game was a little scary - groups of guys following me, asking me to "talk" with them, anti-USA stuff, etc. If I was an Ohio State fan going to PennState for a game it would probably be similar. Still, it is a little scary after the game. Just my opinion.
Yes. Crew fans know all about getting guns out, don't they.
If I ever went to a game in Toronto I'd end up in a fight. Fortunately, my life is so rich and full that I don't need to follow my team around and, therefore, will probably never attend a game in Toronto. I've been to many soccer stadiums. Nothing compels me to visit Bee-mo.
I find this whole thing interesting.
If you can't point out one man throwing a beer (something you can see with your own eyes) how can you expect to point out the man slewing racial slurs?
Also, you want to sit there an say the few bad apples don't or shouldn't affect the league fans' opinion of your supporters, but the simple fact is that they do.
I could care less what you all think about our public ads for free cookies or that we don't sell as many tickets as you. That does not mean that those that are there has any less pride than those at BMO or DC or LA.... wait... scratch LA - they're only their to see Becks and PrimaDonovan and scream like pre-pubescent Beatles fans.
In Columbus, our supporters' groups have taken MASSIVE steps to improve the safety and environment for us and the players. We are taking responsibility for previous actions and moving forward.
The MLS issued an edict stating that streamers and etc are not to be thrown on the pitch and especially at players. What happened when the Crew visited BMO? Streamers and beer were tossed and in some cases hitting the players. The public outcry against Columbus was loud and the response was sent. Now, the MLS needs to make TFC pay for breaking the rules. Its that cut and dry.
If I break a rule, I take the punishment as acceptance of my responsibility to those rules. If you want to get emotional about it, fine but that should not change the punishment
Now - to the DC fan who is a proponent of using a knuckle sandwich.... are you two fucking years old? You realize that by announcing yourself as a DC fan, you just painted a broadstroke over your fellow supporters? You validate everything I think of DC - Barra Brava? Barra Toolbag is more like it. You don't need to shake hands with the opposing fans, but if you honestly feel like putting a fist into someone's face because of the color of their kit, you're doing a great job of convincing me to be pro-abortion.
bad publicity is better than no publicity.
Wow...I can't believe all the hate that comes-out whenever TFC shows-up on this site.
Not all TFC fans throw crap, insult other fans, get into fights, and try in-vain to be hooligans. Some of us just really like soccer, enjoy going to the games (when we can), and even just like supporting our team no matter how bad they are.
I'm really starting to hate all the generalization and prejudice towards TFC and Canadians in general. Really sad, considering most of us don't behave like the lot mentioned in these posts.
My wife and I have seen games in Toronto, and Chicago. Both sets of fans we've met were pretty nice. I love meeting other MLS fans from around the continent and talking about footy. I'm really hoping this doesn't change.
And to dcbarra...man, you need to seriously relax. MLS has only been around for how long now? Since 96? Not long enough for any of you guys to be that "hardcore" and threatening to other fans.
You need a hug, dude.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: when DaMarcus Beasley gets hit by a coin or a bag of piss or a cup of soda at a WCQ in Saprissa, the USSF will have no complaints. Why? Well, how can it complain when the league that it sanctions practically encouraged certain fans to throw stuff? Did you ever once think of that, Garber? No. Because you have no clue. The behavior of the fans at "the model franchise" is something that American fans have despised since the days of Friedel telling Costa Rican cops that he was going to fuck them up bad if they didn't do something about the fans.
Kris from Winnipeg makes sense. The affectations of intensity are obvious and a real turn off. With that said, I remind Kris that I have nothing against Canadians. I just don't want Canadian teams in our American league.
"Kris from Winnipeg makes sense. The affectations of intensity are obvious and a real turn off. With that said, I remind Kris that I have nothing against Canadians. I just don't want Canadian teams in our American league."
In all honesty, and im not trying to sound like a jackass, do you realize how offensive what you just wrote is?
Lay off that DC fan. I am forChivas [GDL and USA] and after what went on with one of our Legion in Texas getting stabbed by Dynaputos Houston fans....
fuck them
all
i will fight for my team. mi equipo, mi colores, mi vida!
fuck all mls
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55976115@N00/2375293933
This entire "conversation" (if you can call it that) disheartens me very very much. It speaks to a number of problems that MLS needs to address. Hopefully things can change before they get even worse.
I agree that there should be ZERO TOLERANCE for anything thrown on the pitch. That includes streamers. It is a slippery slope that can lead to some of the uglier incidents we have seen across the league that have taken place this season. It was fun while it lasted but now it needs to stop.
Most of the supporters from other teams I have met away, or here in Toronto, are pretty great guys and girls. Anybody who pays their own way to travel to see their club in our stadium is OK in my books. I would hope that the feeling is mutual.
I think that if Garber and MLS as a league spent time in developing standardized rules and procedures for things like ejection of fans throwing items on the field, physical seperation of home and away supporters, insuring that away supporters can ingress and egress the grounds safely would go a long way towards removing a lot of the friction we are reading here.
Standardized rules for each stadium and for each club create understanding and hopefully will create some tolerance. This is your problem to fix Garber!
We all talk smack to on another at these games because we all in our own way love our clubs. It is beer fueled and passion driven. That's OK, as long as that's where it ends.
"And to dcbarra...man, you need to seriously relax. MLS has only been around for how long now? Since 96? Not long enough for any of you guys to be that "hardcore" and threatening to other fans.
You need a hug, dude."
Only someone such as this Toronto guy who was not around during the DC Skinhead era would say something so dumb and want to hug a bunch of DC scumbags. But hey, he'll learn to hate them with time. The rest of us have had 12 long ass years of dealing with them.
FUCK DC Soy Del Metro!
The fact that we're still hearing about Toronto fans misbehaving while the league does nothing makes me wanna fight them. If this stuff went on in any other MLS city they'd shut it down fast. But it is Toronto, the new cash cow. Can't do anything there.
"The fact that we're still hearing about Toronto fans misbehaving while the league does nothing makes me wanna fight them. If this stuff went on in any other MLS city they'd shut it down fast. But it is Toronto, the new cash cow. Can't do anything there."
Maybe that is the case...maybe the MLS does see us (Toronto) as a "cash cow" as you call it. But that's because most other MLS markets bring fuck all to this league compared to us!
As far as supporters go...I'm not gonna go ahead and claim that we are the best supporters in the league. As far as I am concerned Toronto, Chicago, DC and Houston have GREAT supporter bases. The other markets in my opinion have average (or poor) support groups.
"All you guys do is complain..."ohh, Toronto is only allocating 100 tickets for away supporters" PLEASE...we never seen more than 30 people from ANY other MLS city at BMO!!! "
This is BULLSHIT! I know for a fact that we Revs fans maxed out on our tickets. There was actually high demand among us. So fuck off, the Revs brought all we were allowed to.
Only twats read MLSRumors. YOu're all twats.
we are all aware of the twatery around here, but that's beside's the point!!! Point is Columbus is a bunch of racist pillow biters!!
"This is BULLSHIT! I know for a fact that we Revs fans maxed out on our tickets. There was actually high demand among us. So fuck off, the Revs brought all we were allowed to.
That is true. I believe you guys were the only ones to ever take all 100 tickets. And from personal experience NE Revs fans are the most welcoming, fun, and nice supporters in the league!
here's a nice shot of you guys at BMO:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3011/2793203364_94b8e74de7.jpg?v=0
--SR--
dcbarra: typical DC United fan - can't admit that your fans have been upstaged
Since when does being the "Cash Cow" give license to not follow the rules?
You want a get out of jail free card? Go play monopoly. Otherwise, man up, be accountable and fucking grow up.
You want a get out of jail free card? Go play monopoly. Otherwise, man up, be accountable and fucking grow up.
how can you being from Columbus tell another club to man up and be accountable? your own management wouldn't even do that! People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Toronto has yet to outdo DC visually or vocally this year.
what the fuck are you talking about? How do you know that our management hasn't been accountable?
Have you been there when McCullers met with our supporters' groups? Are you there when Sigi Schmid meets up with them at the pub to discuss things? Have you been there since those incidents that have marred our reputation at the start of the year?
No, you haven't.
The Nordecke has reorganized in an effort to unify the groups and, most importantly, SELF-POLICE! The swearing in the songs have been severly cut back.
Since those unfortunate events that you assholes never seem to let go of, only the occasional streamer makes it out onto the pitch.
So - you want to talk about accountability - there you have it! Columbus is accountable for our actions in a way that WE are willing to make change cause WE are MASSIVE!
Chicago brought 200-250 last year to Toronoto and the demand is just as high this year, but our tickets were restricted this year to 100.
In fact, I remember saying ticket allocation for away supporters, a distinct 'away' end in all stadiums and a supporters 'bill of rights', if you will, would be issues (for some clubs) and something the league should face up to and get the growing pains out of the way EARLY so that [hopefully] as support and travelling support grows throughout the league that it can be done safely, managed effectively, and handled in a manner which is sensitive (for lack of a better term) to the differences between 'supporters' than fans.
I hope this is the start of something better, rather than something that will be overlooked past this season.
While it is not 'major league friendship', I do think that there should be some effort made on all parts (i.e. FO's, SG's, etc...) to coordinate with each other to ensure that away support is handled with the same respect and care that all of us want when we pay our hard-earned money to go to one another's cities (regardless of your opinion of the place) and see our beloved teams play. It seems that this is done in a rudimentary way at present--which may be partly to blame for some of the fracases that have occured. To be frank, I like to have a good time when I travel and I like to get to see the sites (as well as my team). It is great when I get to see others supporting the league, as we are still a very small minority in the overall populace. Although I may not like your team or supporters group, I like the fact that we share a passion for our sport--and THAT I can respect.
giaco
"This is the problem I have with TFC fans. Most MLS fans are not only fans of their team, but fans of the league. I have a mutual respect for other MLS fans, as we are so few compared to other sports. The Crew fans will be coming to New England this week, and if I can, I will shake their hands because they a MLS fan, not just a Revs fan."
I totally agree and will be one of the crew fans to shake your hand...We had a great time in Chicago and our buss was dropped off right next to the Red Patch tailgate before the game and we had no problems just drinking and fun. So i wont let the few morons after the game ruin my trip or view on the club or fans we all have idiots
"people think we are the bad boys of MLS because we threw seat covers on the field after Danny's goal"
lol wtf, you guys need to get a grip on reality.
hooliganism aint even close to existing in this country.